Anti Sway Control
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Anti Sway Control
We went to the Rosehill Caravan and Camping Show today looking for information on Alko ESC and Dexter. As we are about to take the van to the Kimberley and my husband is having some back problems I realise I will have to share the driving. We have a Prado and a 19' van. I thought I would have peace of mind if we had an electric anti sway control added but when we sat in on a talk about towing a caravan, the speaker said that a Hayman Reece anti sway bar would be better than the electric alternatives. We already have a Hayman Reece weight distribution hitch but would need to get the new one to go with the anti sway bar. It would still be half the cost of the electric alternatives. I know this will probably stir up a hornet's nest of opinions but would like to hear what people think.
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Re: Anti Sway Control
From my knowledge the HR antisway and the ESC perform two different things. The HR is friction device that is there to reduce the small amount of sway from Semi's overtaking the ESC are for use when all else fails and the sway is serious as it puts the caravan brakes on to pull the rig straight.
I only have the ESC.
I only have the ESC.
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Linda, Engel is correct.
Both AL-KO and Dexter use the principle of detecting G forces or sideways movement in the caravan. It could be a single large movement to avoid an obstacle of several small movements indicating the beginning of uncontrollable sway. The van brakes are applied to stretch and pull the rig straight. Of course the driver could do the same thing with the brake manual override, if acting quickly enough. So ESC is a reactive process after an issue has developed - like a parachute or fire extinguisher.
Anti-sway is a proactive process intended to prevent swaying from beginning or at least minimise its effect. It is a simple mechanical device that makes it harder for any angle to develop between the tug and the van. Imagine a semi-trailer where the prime mover has a turntable that carries the trailer. If you fit a braking system to that turntable rotation the rig cannot jack-knife.
I s'pose the best option would be both anti-sway and ESC. I have neither
Both AL-KO and Dexter use the principle of detecting G forces or sideways movement in the caravan. It could be a single large movement to avoid an obstacle of several small movements indicating the beginning of uncontrollable sway. The van brakes are applied to stretch and pull the rig straight. Of course the driver could do the same thing with the brake manual override, if acting quickly enough. So ESC is a reactive process after an issue has developed - like a parachute or fire extinguisher.
Anti-sway is a proactive process intended to prevent swaying from beginning or at least minimise its effect. It is a simple mechanical device that makes it harder for any angle to develop between the tug and the van. Imagine a semi-trailer where the prime mover has a turntable that carries the trailer. If you fit a braking system to that turntable rotation the rig cannot jack-knife.
I s'pose the best option would be both anti-sway and ESC. I have neither
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Thank you Engel and Old Techo for your comments. We are thinking of going ahead with the Dexter.
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Argonaut,
Below is an earlier post on this subject that might help as well
http://www.candm.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19799
Below is an earlier post on this subject that might help as well
http://www.candm.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19799
Regards,
MikeL
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Thanks, read it. Lots to think about.
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Who did the presentation that persuaded you to go for the HR anti sway device was the way to go? By chance was it a HR presentation? Be ware of those with an axe to grind. They will do as much as they can to misrepresent the situation short of saying something that could be considered liable. Without telling us the full story we can not give you any sound advice.Argonaut wrote: I thought I would have peace of mind if we had an electric anti sway control added but when we sat in on a talk about towing a caravan, the speaker said that a Hayman Reece anti sway bar would be better than the electric alternatives.
I take it he was referring to friction anti-sway devices or the twin cam. These are supposed to stop you getting into trouble. They are not 100% in their action. The Dexter and Al-Ko models are there to get you out of trouble when you get into violent yawing situations. Friction anti-sway will not do that.
Al-Ko also make a friction anti-sway hitch. They also make the ESC. That must give you a clue as to whether you should fit the ESC. You will note that British and European vans are now fitted with both.
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Towed a 1977 tandum axle vicount van around oz for 3.5 years with the dual cam HR added too the ride levelers .Where spot on ,never a nasty situation developed. This was in the 80s and by the knowledge I have gained now, that van was poorly loaded and over weight to buggery.I only use a single sway cam on my current van and that is only for peice of mind as the current van is well balanced and Tows beautiful .Peter
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Re: Anti Sway Control
What is a single cam? I'm not familiar with them.loub wrote: I only use a single sway cam on my current van
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Re: Anti Sway Control
Hi Peter D It attaches to a small towball welded to the hitch head and a small towball attached to the side of the a frame .The actual working unit is attached to these points and works by applying friction between the surface of the units if the van tries to move side ways when going forward.You turn a lever to apply more friction.
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